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dam typical right wing claptrap

they always have excuses

to us billions out here we think obama

is doing a difficult

job

more than that a-----le

who made war on iraq

to prop up the america economy

see were it got tony blair

this redneck politics

will see this president assassinated

millions of us predict it

already some politician has called him a liar

in parliment

unheard of in the history

of american politics

so rednecks have no boundrys

marty

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already some politician has called him a liar

in parliment

unheard of in the history

of american politics

so rednecks have no boundrys

marty

Partisan politics at its finest, marty:) They did the same to Clinton when he was President. Obama has a tough hill to climb, he has very powerful enemies in the pharmaceutical and insurance industries (their lobbyists can afford to spend hundreds of millions on trying to block health care reform).

I certainly hope Obama really is a cool, tough customer. He is going to need to be one.

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already some politician has called him a liar

in parliment

unheard of in the history

of american politics

Someone should compile a list of all of the times Clinton and Bush were booed and jeered and accused of lying by members of Congress.

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When Clinton and bush were booed and jeered it was just freedom of speech but say anything about the new boss and it's treason.

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When Clinton and bush were booed and jeered it was just freedom of speech but say anything about the new boss and it's treason.

Of course....partisan politics:-) I'm a Liberal and I'll admit that we can fire a few unfair shots across the bow.

However, the media campaign that is being waged against the Obama health care plan is different in one respect. Obama's enemies have very deep pockets, they can afford to spend hundreds of millions in an attempt to sway public opinion. When Liberals throw a few jabs we don't have the financial clout of the pharmaceutical companies behind us. To say the debate is not on a level playing field is an understatement.

As an interested outsider living north of your great country I can only hope that you will have some meaningful health care reform in the years to come. If you don't the lobbyists win. And you lose.

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When Clinton and bush were booed and jeered it was just freedom of speech but say anything about the new boss and it's treason.

I think that should be, when Bush was booed and jeered, it was considered treason. Any time a liberal denounced Bush for the fool and puppet that he was we were considered Un-American and supporters of terrorism.

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However, the media campaign that is being waged against the Obama health care plan is different in one respect.

There's a media campaign?

Obama's enemies have very deep pockets, they can afford to spend hundreds of millions in an attempt to sway public opinion. When Liberals throw a few jabs we don't have the financial clout of the pharmaceutical companies behind us.

In other news, the current health care reform plan was crafted by an insurance industry executive turned Baucus aide. [Edit: Gah, what happened with that link? Fixed, I hope]

No one saw that coming.

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I think its a dumb argument. When I bashed Bush (which I did a lot) I got a lot of the "love it or leave it" replies. I was told that I was very 'un-American'. I shrugged it off. When people bash Obama, they should also expect opposition.

Treason? Really? Freedom speech and opinion goes both ways, so everyone is going to face opposition. I don't understand why people feel that they are being persecuted. To those who feel that way I suggest: just shrug it off. If you have opinions, expect people to disagree.

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[Edit: Gah, what happened with that link? Fixed, I hope]

Ha-ha, yep fixed:-) Interesting article indeed.

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The media is giving this administration a free pass on everything. There are still soldiers coming home every week in body bags, last year every news outlet would tally a body count now you almost never hear anything. There are still inmates in GitMo but they are now called Detainees not Prisoners so we're good there. We have spent more money in the last year then any other administration has ever spent. We bailed out companies so thousands of bankers can keep there six and seven figure salaries while we have just hit a new all time high unemployment mark. We just changed the law in Massachusetts so we don't need to elect a new senator we can just appoint one. The administration has appointed tax cheats and frauds to high level cabinet positions and as his Czars. And while all this is going on leno and letterman are making Clinton and Bush jokes, the so called news outlets are still going on about tea parties.

And now we want to tax working people so Gangbangers, skinheads, career criminals, hillbillies, illegal aliens etc. have full health coverage adding 45 million more patients to our health facilities. And as it is right now hospitals don't turn anyone away.

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We bailed out companies so thousands of bankers can keep there six and seven figure salaries while we have just hit a new all time high unemployment mark.

The national unemployment rate is still less than half of the peak in the '30s. (Or thereabouts. I gather that the way the unemployment rate is calculated has changed over the years.)

We just changed the law in Massachusetts so we don't need to elect a new senator we can just appoint one.

Like nearly every other state. The Constitution explicitly permits executive appointments to fill Senate vacancies.

And now we want to tax working people so Gangbangers, skinheads, career criminals, hillbillies, illegal aliens etc. have full health coverage adding 45 million more patients to our health facilities.

The taxpayers already provide those people with health coverage through the prison system.

And as it is right now hospitals don't turn anyone away.

And the taxpayers pay for that through higher insurance premiums. So far this seems to be a wash.

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Higher percentage in the 30's but far more people out of work now.

But just a few years ago when the republican governor was about to appoint a replacement the law was changed because they said the people need to have a say.

And by rushing into a new healthcare plan nothing will change. Maybe we should come up with a plan that could make some changes not just for the sake of change. I personally don't care what health care system we use as long as I have coverage and it doesn't cost me more either in price or care.

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... already some politician has called him a liar

in parliment

unheard of in the history

of american politics...

marty

You mean YOU weren't aware of previous outbursts.

It's practically common now. Boos, hisses, harumphs, been goin' on for a long time.

What's uncommon about this one is, he apologized.

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The media is giving this administration a free pass on everything.
I can think of a certain media outlet owned by News Corp that would jump on Obama if he burped in public... and then call him a socialist.
We bailed out companies so thousands of bankers can keep there six and seven figure salaries
Wasn't the AIG et al bailout during the former administration?
And while all this is going on leno and letterman are making Clinton and Bush jokes
Shucks, I hate it when late night comedians don't cover the important issues!
the so called news outlets are still going on about tea parties
Wasn't the whole point of 70,000 people marching on Washington to make news?
And now we want to tax working people so Gangbangers, skinheads, career criminals, hillbillies, illegal aliens etc. have full health coverage adding 45 million more patients to our health facilities.
Yeah, those are the only people who would benefit from a public option. Certainly not a young post-graduate girl working two jobs and getting ready for grad school who lived my town who didn't have health insurance--and died. You're right. Obama wants to give a free ride to crack heads. That's his plan.
And by rushing into a new healthcare plan nothing will change
You're right it won't change anything. Everything good about the plan is being stripped out.

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one thing i like about this board

we are allowed opinions

be rightwing or socialist

in the past i lambasted the bush cheney GANG

OVER IRAQ

and in the end my bleatings are true

but it still didnt stop the killing of people still going on

is that called a bush cheney legacy

for me i would like to see

obama bring all the people to gether

he has aready alerted the world he would like to talk

isnt that a start

isnt that why he was elected

people had a guts full of rightwing agenda

all of europe are for

his mending relationships

what will happen if we dont do something

the world will go for atomic weapons

then it dosent matter if we are right or left wing we all go up in smoke

marty

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for me i would like to see

obama bring all the people to gether

he has aready alerted the world he would like to talk

That will never happen!

There are to many countries that hate us(USA). Always have & always will.

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Higher percentage in the 30's but far more people out of work now.

Maybe not. The population in the mid-'30s was around 130 million and the unemployment rate at the peak of the Depression was around 25%. The population now is bit over 300 million and the unemployment rate is a bit under 10%. If the potential workforce as a fraction of population is the same, there would have been more people out of work in the '30s (32.5x million vs 30x million).

Maybe we should come up with a plan that could make some changes not just for the sake of change.

That's crazy talk.

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,,, didnt stop the killing of people still going on

is that called a bush cheney legacy...

people had a guts full of rightwing agenda

all of europe are for

his mending relationships...

marty

You're right that the wars (or whatever they want to call it) are still ongoing. Obama campaigned on the prospect of quickly withdrawing, but the reality of war must have set in (he's avoiding the inevitable right now: more troops are needed in Afghanistan).

Funny thing about Europe: They're electing more center and right-of-center candidates. Apparently they haven't yet had their guts full.

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Obama campaigned on the prospect of quickly withdrawing, but the reality of war must have set in (he's avoiding the inevitable right now: more troops are needed in Afghanistan).

False. Obama campaigned on the idea that we were going to increase troops in Afghanistan:

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False. Obama campaigned on the idea that we were going to increase troops in Afghanistan:

Exactly. Now comes the difficult part for Obama as he needs to live up to his campaign promise; his commander on the ground in Afghanistan is asking for more troops. It will be hard for him to send a lot of troops into harm's way, but, I think he needs to stabilize that theater.

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Funny thing about Europe: They're electing more center and right-of-center candidates. Apparently they haven't yet had their guts full.

Of leftists? :lol: I think they're very full and making the turn back to the center, because the far left is running out of "entitlements" to empower them.

Europe’s Socialists Suffering Even in Downturn

Europe’s center-right parties have embraced many ideas of the left: generous welfare benefits, nationalized health care, sharp restrictions on carbon emissions, the ceding of some sovereignty to the European Union. But they have won votes by promising to deliver more efficiently than the left, while working to lower taxes, improve financial regulation, and grapple with aging populations.
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Funny thing about Europe: They're electing more center and right-of-center candidates. Apparently they haven't yet had their guts full.

We're in a recession. Germany and Italy are moving to the right.

This will end well.

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