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OK, lets see if I get this right.

If I am interested in Linux I can go to the site jcl mention, download and burn a cd, which will boot my pc to this operating system without screwing up my XP pro. The entire operating system will be on the cd? The disk has to stay in the drive the whole time? Which is the best site/mirror?

By the way I like what I see...had my fill of windows.

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OK, lets see if I get this right.

If I am interested in Linux I can go to the site jcl mention, download and burn a cd, which will boot my pc to this operating system without screwing up my XP pro. The entire operating system will be on the cd? The disk has to stay in the drive the whole time? Which is the best site/mirror?

Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, and I don't know.

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Knoppix download mirrors

Discount Linux CDs

You can download Knoppix from the first link and buy it from the second link. Welcome to Linux. Knoppix is a great way to get into Linux as jcl said. The only thing you may need to do is set your computer to boot from your CD ROM drive, but, it probably already does that.

Your XP install will not be touched as your computer will boot from the CD ROM drive and run all programs from the CD.

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Et voila! Mandrake 10.0! (boy was that easy!)

screenshot10.th.jpg

Sweet, congratulations! I also run Mandrake 10 and love it.

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Hi jcl, thank you for your thoughtful reply. Work has been hellish this week. It bothers me when work interferes with my ability to post messages here.

Never had a problem with RPMs or with binary-based systems. There are more important things in life than how you install your software. Like picking lint out of your navel, or watching paint dry.

Well said, man! I tire of the constant obsessing with software config. Having said that I'm constantly, downloading, trying out new applications. I like trying new stuff, not spending days tweaking it to get it to work.

I just downloaded, installed Fire Fox 1.0 today. Very nice, it automatically detected that I needed Flash when I went to one website and it installed Flash for me with a few mouse clicks, very windows-like.

Actually, I was lying :-) Well, not lying exactly, but I do end up fighting most of the systems I use. It's not something I look for in an operating system, but it's not something that drives me away either.

I've enjoyed reading your posts about advanced configurations on the old Tech TV board. I've become better at Linux over the last few years, but, I know I have a long way to go before I catch up with you, shanenin, and iccaros:-) It's fun when something works when you experiment.

Installing Gentoo is pretty simple if you can turn your brain off. Open the installation guide and let the text go in your eyes and come out your fingers. It's when you try to understand what you're doing that you run into problems.

Yeah, the install guide was wonderful and I got fairly far, manually configured my NIC, used Links2 to download a kernel with knoppix 3.3. I installed file systems, untarred the kernel I got as far as genkernel I think building a stage three sytem and then I got to a certain point it couldn't find the kernel and aaaarrrrrrggggghhhhhhhhh, I was toast. I never made it to editing my fstab. I may take another run at it again at some point. You're right! I probably would have done better if I didn't try to understand what I was doing.

The thing that bugs me about that is that Linux could work around the problem too. The workaround is known (read the BSD drivers), and cause of the problem in Linux is known (ACPI changes in 2.5 that were backported to 2.4), but for some reason no one will put in the time. Reading the discussion of the bug I kinda got the feeling that since it's a hardware or firmware problem, it's Not Our Problem.

I can understand the desire to prevent the kernel from turning into a tangled mess of workarounds for broken hardware -- there is a lot of broken hardware out there, and Windows is an example of what happens when you try to make it all work -- but aesthetics has to give way to reality sometime. The BSDs incorporate workarounds like this, though grudgingly and sometimes impolitely (e.g., boot messages that amount to "your hardware is broken, replace it").

Whoops, should have dropped anchor back in the Gentoo discussion, it looks like I've got a little thread-drift to deal with :-)

I think gradually Linux is becoming more aware that not everyone is a programmer like you jcl:-) I noticed today as previously mentioned that my rpm build of Fire Fox is becoming automated with plug-in installation. Linux is gradually becoming more user-friendly. Yeah, I noticed with installing BSD that the install procedure was not very helpful when I messed things up, had to re-do it several times to get X up and running. Don't even get me started on trying to set-up DHCP on my router:-) But, all in all Linux has been a fantastic adventure. I could never just run windows again.

I like having a unit that never crashes.

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Well, since this thread is active again and I have this sitting around....

Behold, E17:

desktop.jpg

It's more impressive if you can see the animations.

Edited by jcl

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Here is my new beautifully working BSD sytem. I will enjoy it today, because in a few days I will probably break something :-)

bsd.png

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yup FreeBSD-5.3 . I had a pretty easy time with it(hardware was compatible with the default kernel), everything went smooth like it was supposed to. It took three installs to do it correctly. Setting up my sound was surpisingly easy. I just had to load one module

kldload snd_via8233

FreeBSD uses ports(what gentoos portage is based on), it is makeing software installation a dream, everything has installed smoothly.

BSD is different in a lot of ways(from linux), so it is interesting. It is similar enough that things are not to hard to figure out. Linux seems a little more polished for the desktop, but I will probably use BSD for a while.

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I'm running lame-a$$ KDE 3.2 right now on my Linux box.

Jeesh hitest! some of us newbies like KDE 3.2 (heh, 3.3 won't install for some reason, invalid signatures I think :blink: )...but still better than seeing a windows desktop IMO :D

anyway, here's my latest creation (several pics I found around the web, thrown into the GIMP) on mandrake 10.1

desktop-02022007.jpg

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TiToc ..when are you going to start making art for my distro??? I need some good stuff.

by the way you logo you created is on the CD at my site.

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I'm running lame-a$$ KDE 3.2 right now on my Linux box.

Jeesh hitest! some of us newbies like KDE 3.2 (heh, 3.3 won't install for some reason, invalid signatures I think :blink: )...but still better than seeing a windows desktop IMO :D

anyway, here's my latest creation (several pics I found around the web, thrown into the GIMP) on mandrake 10.1

Hi tictoc5150,

Very cool desktop!!

I like KDE very much there's nothing wrong with it at all, I run it with Mandrake 10.1 on my Plll 500 Dell. It uses less system resources than Gnome.

KDE is a very stable, mature window manager. :D

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when are you going to start making art for my distro??? I need some good stuff.

Hi iccaros,

sorry I haven't grabbed a copy of your distro yet, did bookmark it though...since I don't know what WM it uses, what kind of art are you looking for...kde splash, default wallpaper, kinda stuff? (sorry, I'm not too good at icons, if you need those too...can only seem to modify them to my liking)

not sure how good it'll be without my predispostion for softcore porn wallpaper :D

have even done the same to my ksplash...lol

Very cool desktop!!

I like KDE very much there's nothing wrong with it at all, I run it with Mandrake 10.1 on my Plll 500 Dell. It uses less system resources than Gnome.

thanks hitest...and about KDE vs. Gnome....from looking at the two, I would think that Gnome would be less demanding...I'm definitely into eye candy which seems to be what Gnome lacks for me...I'm into functionality as much as the next guy but I need things to look cool too, IMO Gnome looks like it's for people that don't need aesthetics.

btw, I'll be building my new system in the next couple days (fedex permitting) and after reading myself into a headache, trying to figure out which distro I wanna go with and whether i'd go with 64 bit or stay with 32 bit (AMD 64 4000+...yeaaaaaa!), I've decided I'm gonna stick with Mandrake 10.1 32 bit...the drawbacks seem to outweigh the benefits at this point, my system will definitely be ready for the future of 64 bit though...was considering FC3 or one of the more advanced distros but Mandrake seems to have all I need to keep me happy for now. :D

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when are you going to start making art for my distro??? I need some good stuff.

Hi iccaros,

sorry I haven't grabbed a copy of your distro yet, did bookmark it though...since I don't know what WM it uses, what kind of art are you looking for...kde splash, default wallpaper, kinda stuff? (sorry, I'm not too good at icons, if you need those too...can only seem to modify them to my liking)

not sure how good it'll be without my predispostion for softcore porn wallpaper :D

have even done the same to my ksplash...lol

Very cool desktop!!

I like KDE very much there's nothing wrong with it at all, I run it with Mandrake 10.1 on my Plll 500 Dell. It uses less system resources than Gnome.

thanks hitest...and about KDE vs. Gnome....from looking at the two, I would think that Gnome would be less demanding...I'm definitely into eye candy which seems to be what Gnome lacks for me...I'm into functionality as much as the next guy but I need things to look cool too, IMO Gnome looks like it's for people that don't need aesthetics.

btw, I'll be building my new system in the next couple days (fedex permitting) and after reading myself into a headache, trying to figure out which distro I wanna go with and whether i'd go with 64 bit or stay with 32 bit (AMD 64 4000+...yeaaaaaa!), I've decided I'm gonna stick with Mandrake 10.1 32 bit...the drawbacks seem to outweigh the benefits at this point, my system will definitely be ready for the future of 64 bit though...was considering FC3 or one of the more advanced distros but Mandrake seems to have all I need to keep me happy for now. :D

Your new system sounds cool.

Actually KDE does use less memory, system resources than Gnome. I use Gnome on my other Linux box because KDE doesn't play well with the video card on my Plll 667 IBM, I get weird video artifacts.

KDE works very well on my Plll 500 Dell.

I use both KDE and Gnome and like them. I just use what ever window manager works the best with my hardware.

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Here is my new beautifully working BSD sytem. I will enjoy it today, because in a few days I will probably break something :-)

bsd.png

I need to learn ports.. Have been doing anything but BSD for hte last year and well I now have some big uses for it.

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I am really enjoying this system. Just today I blew out my gentoo(main) install to make more room for BSD. I am goig to make BSD my main install for a while. With the other space on my drive, I am going to experiment with using portage on some different distros.

edit /added later

what kind of uses do you need it for? Stuff that linux can't do, or just stuff you would prefer to do with BSD?

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I am really enjoying this system. Just today I blew out my gentoo(main) install to make more room for BSD. I am goig to make BSD my main install for a while. With the other space on my drive, I am going to experiment with using portage on some different distros.

edit /added later

what kind of uses do you need it for? Stuff that linux can't do, or just stuff you would prefer to do with BSD?

Do you network your BSD system through a router, shanenin?

I've installed Free BSD 5.2 before, but, had one heck of a time punching a hole through my router.

I probably missed a setting somewhere.

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My router acts as a dhcp server(correct term?) It gives out addresses to all of my computers that are plugged into it. I have a one windows, one linux, and one bsd box, all plugged into my router. All of my operating systems are set to use dhcp. I pretty much choose "use dhcp" to set up my network. I did not have to do anything other then choose "use dhcp" to set up the network for BSD to run. Networking is my weak area, I am glad the dhcp sets everything up for me.

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My router acts as a dhcp server(correct term?) It gives out addresses to all of my computers that are plugged into it. I have a one windows, one linux, and one bsd box, all plugged into my router. All of my operating systems are set to use dhcp. I pretty much choose "use dhcp" to set up my network. I did not have to do anything other then choose "use dhcp" to set up the network for BSD to run. Networking is my weak area, I am glad the dhcp sets everything up for me.

I'm usually pretty good with networking, but, BSD confused me.

I do the same thing with my home network. My daughter has an XP Pro box, and I've got two Linux boxes all getting their IP addresses from the router via DHCP.

I got confused during the BSD set-up when it asked me these questions:

User Confirmation Requested

Do you want to try IPv6 configuration of the interface?

Yes [ No ]

User Confirmation Requested

Do you want to try DHCP configuration of the interface?

Yes [ No ]

I probably answered one question wrong or forgot to set DHCP properly in the sysinstall options settings?

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