Matt

Oh Glenn Beck...... So many of those were taken out of context. Quote #1 should actually read: "We ought to ban hunting, I suggest, if there isn't a purpose other than sport and fun." Quote #2 should actually read: The Court said that the Second Amendment must be interpreted in light of the constitutional goal of recognizing and permitting militias. "With obvious purpose to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such forces the declaration and guarantee of the Second Amendment were made. It must be interpreted and applied with that end in view." The Court believed

It's funny, I thought the same thing during the previous administration. Guess that just shows how much a democrat-or-republican bias can control your perspective.Just curious, though, what choices or rights in your life have been taken away since this administration came to office?

THAT would be ironic! He did work for Haliburton though.. He did, however, insult the entire state of West Virginia. And yet... there are other, much larger things that Cheney says are "nothing but lies". Not as much as usual. At least we didn't have concentration camps this time. (Reason #721 for the US to avoid wars: not having concentration camps represents a marked improvement in wartime domestic policy.) We did have Guantanamo bay.Oh... and The Patriot Act. I think the point--however futile or ill portrayed--is to show that neither side of the aisle is decent. A poor defense, yes, bu

Why?

This crawls into the territory of whether or not we believe people are guaranteed basic human rights, or privileged to legal US rights. I suppose that's where you and I disagree.

Dang...I was a fan of his work with Barker

Lie detectors don't work. Especially under high-stress scenarios like 'enhanced interrogations'

They never got a trial to 'prove' they did anything to 'abandon' their rights. There have been many CIA officials who have come forward and said that we could have gotten all of the same info through more reasonable means. Also, how about the notion that these forms of 'enhanced interrogation' often produce false information--getting the recipient to say anything to make it stop?

jcl, I guess it's all about context.

Wow, really? It is absolutely necessary that we hold ourselves to a higher standard. "What is the difference between doing the deed ourselves, or shipping these folks to a country that has no such qualms?" If we commit torture, we are no better than those of whom we are fighting. We are America, and if we're going to consider ourselves "more civilized than the others" (which in itself is a completely different discussion) then we cannot torture, and those responsible must be held accordingly. If you want America to start acting like "extremest" groups, then what's the point of any of this

RIP

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LINK The half/half opinion is a quite a bold prediction. What if this does progress to people at the top? What if higher officials, directors, or even VPs are held responsible? I think if that happens, many people will be very pleased with the outcome. If litigation is brought against men and women at the bottom of the food chain, they will undoubted say "I had authorization from..." and hopefully the prosecution will work its way up. Only time will tell that one.

Yes I shall.

Is this supposed to be funny? Should I ban you?

Just because he wants to doesn't mean its going to happen. Please... Anyway... yeah JDoors, *politics* Stuff like this happens on both sides of the curve.

Wish I could be there. Should be fun.

JDoors, you and I agree on something!

Awesome! Congrats!

I feel like a big reason that Bill Clinton went is due to Al Gore. I haven't heard anything officially mentioned on the matter, but the two journalists were employees of Al Gore's CurrentTV. Perhaps Gore reached out to him? And yeah, I'd say this ended more successfully than Carter's visit to NK.

Agreed. I will be pleasantly surprised if any luminaries in the GOP step forward to congratulate Bill Clinton. The thing is, hitest, they have. I flipped on Fox Noise today just to see what their reactions were to the story. To my surprise, they were even speaking positively on the matter.

That sounds reasonable to me. It may have all been worked out by underlings weeks ago. Or... he did something today that a former President of the United States could do. I really hate Bush, but had he done something like this I'd give him the credit... You'd think predisposed biases wouldn't have to be part of a story like this, but no. My gosh... it amazes me how some people can find fault in something like this.

Love him or hate him, Bill Clinton achieved something awesome today. N. Korea says 2 U.S. journalists will be freed Announcement of pardon comes after Bill Clinton meets with Kim Jong Il http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32277010/ns/wo...ws-asiapacific/

No need for an apology. I simply wanted to make it known that this info is outdated and ensure that people don't misinterpret it.