[JDoors]

martymas, on Sep 27 2009, 08:41 PM, said:

... already some politician has called him a liar
in parliment
unheard of in the history
of american politics...
marty

You mean YOU weren't aware of previous outbursts.

It's practically common now. Boos, hisses, harumphs, been goin' on for a long time.

What's uncommon about this one is, he apologized.

[Matt]

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The media is giving this administration a free pass on everything.

I can think of a certain media outlet owned by News Corp that would jump on Obama if he burped in public... and then call him a socialist.

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We bailed out companies so thousands of bankers can keep there six and seven figure salaries

Wasn't the AIG et al bailout during the former administration?

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And while all this is going on leno and letterman are making Clinton and Bush jokes

Shucks, I hate it when late night comedians don't cover the important issues!

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the so called news outlets are still going on about tea parties

Wasn't the whole point of 70,000 people marching on Washington to make news?

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And now we want to tax working people so Gangbangers, skinheads, career criminals, hillbillies, illegal aliens etc. have full health coverage adding 45 million more patients to our health facilities.

Yeah, those are the only people who would benefit from a public option. Certainly not a young post-graduate girl working two jobs and getting ready for grad school who lived my town who didn't have health insurance--and died. You're right. Obama wants to give a free ride to crack heads. That's his plan.

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And by rushing into a new healthcare plan nothing will change

You're right it won't change anything. Everything good about the plan is being stripped out.

[martymas]

one thing i like about this board
we are allowed opinions
be rightwing or socialist
in the past i lambasted the bush cheney GANG
OVER IRAQ
and in the end my bleatings are true
but it still didnt stop the killing of people still going on
is that called a bush cheney legacy
for me i would like to see
obama bring all the people to gether
he has aready alerted the world he would like to talk
isnt that a start
isnt that why he was elected
people had a guts full of rightwing agenda
all of europe are for
his mending relationships
what will happen if we dont do something
the world will go for atomic weapons
then it dosent matter if we are right or left wing we all go up in smoke
marty

This post has been edited by martymas: 28 September 2009 - 06:17 PM

[Flatiron]

martymas, on Sep 28 2009, 06:10 PM, said:

for me i would like to see
obama bring all the people to gether
he has aready alerted the world he would like to talk

That will never happen!
There are to many countries that hate us(USA). Always have & always will.

[jcl]

isteve, on Sep 28 2009, 08:36 AM, said:

Higher percentage in the 30's but far more people out of work now.

Maybe not. The population in the mid-'30s was around 130 million and the unemployment rate at the peak of the Depression was around 25%. The population now is bit over 300 million and the unemployment rate is a bit under 10%. If the potential workforce as a fraction of population is the same, there would have been more people out of work in the '30s (32.5x million vs 30x million).

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Maybe we should come up with a plan that could make some changes not just for the sake of change.

That's crazy talk.

[JDoors]

martymas, on Sep 28 2009, 06:10 PM, said:

,,, didnt stop the killing of people still going on
is that called a bush cheney legacy...
people had a guts full of rightwing agenda
all of europe are for
his mending relationships...
marty

You're right that the wars (or whatever they want to call it) are still ongoing. Obama campaigned on the prospect of quickly withdrawing, but the reality of war must have set in (he's avoiding the inevitable right now: more troops are needed in Afghanistan).

Funny thing about Europe: They're electing more center and right-of-center candidates. Apparently they haven't yet had their guts full.

[Matt]

JDoors, on Sep 29 2009, 11:35 AM, said:

Obama campaigned on the prospect of quickly withdrawing, but the reality of war must have set in (he's avoiding the inevitable right now: more troops are needed in Afghanistan).

False. Obama campaigned on the idea that we were going to increase troops in Afghanistan:

[hitest]

Matt, on Sep 29 2009, 05:22 PM, said:

False. Obama campaigned on the idea that we were going to increase troops in Afghanistan:

Exactly. Now comes the difficult part for Obama as he needs to live up to his campaign promise; his commander on the ground in Afghanistan is asking for more troops. It will be hard for him to send a lot of troops into harm's way, but, I think he needs to stabilize that theater.

[bozodog]

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Funny thing about Europe: They're electing more center and right-of-center candidates. Apparently they haven't yet had their guts full.

Of leftists? I think they're very full and making the turn back to the center, because the far left is running out of "entitlements" to empower them.

Europe’s Socialists Suffering Even in Downturn

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Europe’s center-right parties have embraced many ideas of the left: generous welfare benefits, nationalized health care, sharp restrictions on carbon emissions, the ceding of some sovereignty to the European Union. But they have won votes by promising to deliver more efficiently than the left, while working to lower taxes, improve financial regulation, and grapple with aging populations.

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[jcl]

JDoors, on Sep 29 2009, 08:35 AM, said:

Funny thing about Europe: They're electing more center and right-of-center candidates. Apparently they haven't yet had their guts full.

We're in a recession. Germany and Italy are moving to the right.

This will end well.

[JDoors]

Matt, on Sep 29 2009, 07:22 PM, said:

False. Obama campaigned on the idea that we were going to increase troops in Afghanistan: ...

My bad. I thought we were still in Iraq.

I did mix the promise of quick withdrawal from Iraq with the promise of increasing troop levels in Afhanistan.

[Matt]

JDoors, on Sep 30 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

I did mix the promise of quick withdrawal from Iraq with the promise of increasing troop levels in Afhanistan.

My bad. I thought you meant he promised a quick withdrawal from Afghanistan.