[sultan_emerr]

I am glad to see that the Anti-Obama rift-raft are being dealt with. If this doesn't work, maybe they should send him to one of the "indoctrination" camps that the army is in the process of setting up.
Story = http://www.johnsonci...le.php?ID=71327

[hitest]

Moving this topic to the World and Politics forum.

[isteve]

With the right media coverage this guy could make a killing. Wonder if he has a website.

[martymas]

dam typical right wing claptrap
they always have excuses
to us billions out here we think obama
is doing a difficult
job
more than that a-----le
who made war on iraq
to prop up the america economy
see were it got tony blair
this redneck politics
will see this president assassinated
millions of us predict it
already some politician has called him a liar
in parliment
unheard of in the history
of american politics
so rednecks have no boundrys
marty

This post has been edited by martymas: 27 September 2009 - 08:42 PM

[hitest]

martymas, on Sep 27 2009, 06:41 PM, said:

already some politician has called him a liar
in parliment
unheard of in the history
of american politics
so rednecks have no boundrys
marty

Partisan politics at its finest, marty:) They did the same to Clinton when he was President. Obama has a tough hill to climb, he has very powerful enemies in the pharmaceutical and insurance industries (their lobbyists can afford to spend hundreds of millions on trying to block health care reform).
I certainly hope Obama really is a cool, tough customer. He is going to need to be one.

[jcl]

martymas, on Sep 27 2009, 06:41 PM, said:

already some politician has called him a liar
in parliment
unheard of in the history
of american politics

Someone should compile a list of all of the times Clinton and Bush were booed and jeered and accused of lying by members of Congress.

[isteve]

When Clinton and bush were booed and jeered it was just freedom of speech but say anything about the new boss and it's treason.

[hitest]

isteve, on Sep 27 2009, 08:45 PM, said:

When Clinton and bush were booed and jeered it was just freedom of speech but say anything about the new boss and it's treason.

Of course....partisan politics:-) I'm a Liberal and I'll admit that we can fire a few unfair shots across the bow.
However, the media campaign that is being waged against the Obama health care plan is different in one respect. Obama's enemies have very deep pockets, they can afford to spend hundreds of millions in an attempt to sway public opinion. When Liberals throw a few jabs we don't have the financial clout of the pharmaceutical companies behind us. To say the debate is not on a level playing field is an understatement.
As an interested outsider living north of your great country I can only hope that you will have some meaningful health care reform in the years to come. If you don't the lobbyists win. And you lose.

[TheTerrorist_75]

isteve, on Sep 27 2009, 11:45 PM, said:

When Clinton and bush were booed and jeered it was just freedom of speech but say anything about the new boss and it's treason.

I think that should be, when Bush was booed and jeered, it was considered treason. Any time a liberal denounced Bush for the fool and puppet that he was we were considered Un-American and supporters of terrorism.

[jcl]

hitest, on Sep 28 2009, 05:11 AM, said:

However, the media campaign that is being waged against the Obama health care plan is different in one respect.

There's a media campaign?

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Obama's enemies have very deep pockets, they can afford to spend hundreds of millions in an attempt to sway public opinion. When Liberals throw a few jabs we don't have the financial clout of the pharmaceutical companies behind us.

In other news, the current health care reform plan was crafted by an insurance industry executive turned Baucus aide. [Edit: Gah, what happened with that link? Fixed, I hope]

No one saw that coming.

[Matt]

I think its a dumb argument. When I bashed Bush (which I did a lot) I got a lot of the "love it or leave it" replies. I was told that I was very 'un-American'. I shrugged it off. When people bash Obama, they should also expect opposition.

Treason? Really? Freedom speech and opinion goes both ways, so everyone is going to face opposition. I don't understand why people feel that they are being persecuted. To those who feel that way I suggest: just shrug it off. If you have opinions, expect people to disagree.

[hitest]

jcl, on Sep 28 2009, 06:10 AM, said:

[Edit: Gah, what happened with that link? Fixed, I hope]

Ha-ha, yep fixed:-) Interesting article indeed.

[isteve]

The media is giving this administration a free pass on everything. There are still soldiers coming home every week in body bags, last year every news outlet would tally a body count now you almost never hear anything. There are still inmates in GitMo but they are now called Detainees not Prisoners so we're good there. We have spent more money in the last year then any other administration has ever spent. We bailed out companies so thousands of bankers can keep there six and seven figure salaries while we have just hit a new all time high unemployment mark. We just changed the law in Massachusetts so we don't need to elect a new senator we can just appoint one. The administration has appointed tax cheats and frauds to high level cabinet positions and as his Czars. And while all this is going on leno and letterman are making Clinton and Bush jokes, the so called news outlets are still going on about tea parties.

And now we want to tax working people so Gangbangers, skinheads, career criminals, hillbillies, illegal aliens etc. have full health coverage adding 45 million more patients to our health facilities. And as it is right now hospitals don't turn anyone away.

[jcl]

isteve, on Sep 28 2009, 07:57 AM, said:

We bailed out companies so thousands of bankers can keep there six and seven figure salaries while we have just hit a new all time high unemployment mark.

The national unemployment rate is still less than half of the peak in the '30s. (Or thereabouts. I gather that the way the unemployment rate is calculated has changed over the years.)

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We just changed the law in Massachusetts so we don't need to elect a new senator we can just appoint one.

Like nearly every other state. The Constitution explicitly permits executive appointments to fill Senate vacancies.

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And now we want to tax working people so Gangbangers, skinheads, career criminals, hillbillies, illegal aliens etc. have full health coverage adding 45 million more patients to our health facilities.

The taxpayers already provide those people with health coverage through the prison system.

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And as it is right now hospitals don't turn anyone away.

And the taxpayers pay for that through higher insurance premiums. So far this seems to be a wash.

[isteve]

Higher percentage in the 30's but far more people out of work now.

But just a few years ago when the republican governor was about to appoint a replacement the law was changed because they said the people need to have a say.

And by rushing into a new healthcare plan nothing will change. Maybe we should come up with a plan that could make some changes not just for the sake of change. I personally don't care what health care system we use as long as I have coverage and it doesn't cost me more either in price or care.